Prefix for BIRD maillist emails

[Fernando Frediani]

Hi chaps,

Just an small cosmetic detail to whoever is responsible for the mail list.
Perhaps would be nice to have on every email subject sent by the
Maillist system the Prefix [BIRD] or [BIRD-Users] to identify more
clearly the incoming emails.
Would it be possible to consider it ?

Thanks
Fernando

[Ondrej Zajicek]

Post by Fernando Frediani
Hi chaps,
Just an small cosmetic detail to whoever is responsible for the mail list.
Perhaps would be nice to have on every email subject sent by the Maillist
system the Prefix [BIRD] or [BIRD-Users] to identify more clearly the
incoming emails.
Would it be possible to consider it ?

Hi

Well, that is probably not a good idea w.r.t. current DKIM / DMARC
movement - modifying subject may lead to break DKIM signature and
rejecting the mail in some circumstances.

Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their
List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be
added.

[Daniel Corbe]

Post by Ondrej Zajicek

Post by Fernando Frediani
Hi chaps,
Just an small cosmetic detail to whoever is responsible for the mail list.
Perhaps would be nice to have on every email subject sent by the Maillist
system the Prefix [BIRD] or [BIRD-Users] to identify more clearly the
incoming emails.
Would it be possible to consider it ?

Hi
Well, that is probably not a good idea w.r.t. current DKIM / DMARC
movement - modifying subject may lead to break DKIM signature and
rejecting the mail in some circumstances.
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their
List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be
added.

This. 100%

-Daniel

[Stefan Zimmermann]

Post by Daniel Corbe

Post by Ondrej Zajicek
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their
List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be
added.

This. 100%

I second this; so I can finally filter the bird emails correctly (and not per
To/Cc/Bcc, which doesn't work in some cases).

Stefan

[Fernando Frediani]

Guys,

I don't see much a problem. It's not about filtering (this can be done
in many ways), just about having the miallist title on the email Subject
in order to be better identify the email.

Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all emails
in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for anyone as
far as I know.

Regards,
Fernando

Post by Stefan Zimmermann

Post by Daniel Corbe

Post by Ondrej Zajicek
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their
List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be
added.

This. 100%

I second this; so I can finally filter the bird emails correctly (and not per
To/Cc/Bcc, which doesn't work in some cases).
Stefan

[Fernando Frediani]

Guys,

I don't see much a problem. It's not about filtering (this can be done
in many ways), just about having the maillist title on the email Subject
in order to be better identify the email.

Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all emails
in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for anyone as
far as I know.

Regards,
Fernando

Post by Stefan Zimmermann

Post by Daniel Corbe

Post by Ondrej Zajicek
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their
List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be
added.

This. 100%

I second this; so I can finally filter the bird emails correctly (and not per
To/Cc/Bcc, which doesn't work in some cases).
Stefan

[Martin Mares]

Hello, world!

Post by Fernando Frediani
Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all
emails in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for
anyone as far as I know.

For the record, I consider adding subject tags by mailing lists quite
annoying.

I sort each list to a separate folder anyway, so the repeating subject
tags provide no value and they eat precious screen real estate.

Have a nice fortnight

[Florian Lohoff]

Post by Fernando Frediani
Guys,
I don't see much a problem. It's not about filtering (this can be
done in many ways), just about having the miallist title on the
email Subject in order to be better identify the email.
Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all
emails in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for
anyone as far as I know.

http://www.w3.org/Mail/subject-tagging

and one of the most traffic intensive lists like Linux Kernel:

http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s3-19

Flo

[Fernando Frediani]

As I said it was not necessarily to do mail filtering on the mail
clients, but to separate email (in some even cases visually) that helps
out people, a pure cosmetic thing.

I see the reasons on the w3.org website and they make complete sense,
but in the other hand I don't see either that causing much issue. Is
more as they say: "/because we would rather see effort invested in
getting mail software fixed to do the right thing than provide
workarounds that provide no incentive to do so, at the expense of users
whose mail clients already do the right thing./"
I think is over concerning with something that doesn't cause that much
issue other than what is stated on the w3 website, maybe.
In any way, thanks for replying and for providing the URLs as base.
No worries as this will not change the propose of the list.

Best regards all,
Fernando

Post by Florian Lohoff

Post by Fernando Frediani
Guys,
I don't see much a problem. It's not about filtering (this can be
done in many ways), just about having the miallist title on the
email Subject in order to be better identify the email.
Most of the maillists I'm in have the name on the Subject of all
emails in the format [XXXX] and this does not cause any issues for
anyone as far as I know.

http://www.w3.org/Mail/subject-tagging
http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s3-19
Flo

[Florian Lohoff]

Hi Fernando,

Post by Fernando Frediani
As I said it was not necessarily to do mail filtering on the mail
clients, but to separate email (in some even cases visually) that
helps out people, a pure cosmetic thing.
I see the reasons on the w3.org website and they make complete
sense, but in the other hand I don't see either that causing much
issue. Is more as they say: "/because we would rather see effort
invested in getting mail software fixed to do the right thing than
provide workarounds that provide no incentive to do so, at the
expense of users whose mail clients already do the right thing./"
I think is over concerning with something that doesn't cause that
much issue other than what is stated on the w3 website, maybe.
In any way, thanks for replying and for providing the URLs as base.
No worries as this will not change the propose of the list.

I am still reading my mail with a text only mailreader e.g. mutt.
I have a 80x25 terminal typically - If you only add a "[bird] " so
the subject line you are claiming ~9% of MY visible line-space.

It might be that your Full-HD display with your graphical mail reader
offers gazillion columns for subject but there are a lot of
underfunded, underequipped people out there who like to preserve
their screen space for more essential information than a simple
marker.

I read probably 80-100 Mailinglists and i have procmail to sort
my mails into folder. Beeing in the bird folder will show me only
bird mails - so there is no point in adding a subject-tag for me.

Flo

[Baptiste Jonglez]

Post by Ondrej Zajicek
Generally, the proper way is to identify mails from mailing lists by their
List-ID header, which, as i checked now, is missing here and should be
added.

Indeed, that would be really useful.

Thanks,
Baptiste